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Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:16 pm
by Racki
Been thinking about the Oilers, and what they need to do. Since the blog died for the most part, I figured I'd try and inject some life into parts of the forum outside of the keeper.. soooo...

My thoughts for the Oilers leading into next year...

- Trade the 2014 1st rounder BEFORE the deadline. This is necessary because I believe that in order to have success next year, the Oilers of this year need to push as hard as they can and finish as strong as they can. We need some momentum going into next season and some proof this can work.

- Trade the 2015 1st rounder BEFORE the deadline. This is a vote of confidence in your team. Other teams will be salivating over this pick because this probably looks like a good shot at Connor McDavid. Would Connor McDavid be nice here? Hell yes. But we don't need to keep scooping up 1st overall picks like Dustin Penner slurps up mini-pancakes. Time to flip these two picks for a home run.

- Trade Hemsky... ONLY if he lands a useful player. I don't know the possibilities, but Buffalo is moving Steve Ott, reportedly. He is a UFA as well too. This would only be a good idea if we can extend Ott's contract. But that's the type of player we'd be looking at.

- Trade Gagner... again, only if he lands a useful player. And a fairly useful player at that. If we're talking Gagner for The Big Red Dog in L.A., forget it. That's a useless trade.

- Re-sign Ben Scrivens. He'll want to play here. Make it happen.

- Re-sign Ilya Bryzgalov if the deal is good. This tandem is all that is needed. We don't need a Hiller or Miller "home run".

- However, what we DO need as a home run is a D-man. Soooo... throw those 2 1st rounders around to other teams and offer up the world for a world class d-man. Will we get one? I have my doubts, but you have to try. Throw everything at the preds for Weber... You can put together the 2 1sts, Eberle or Yak, Jultz or Petry, or Marincin or Klefbom. This is an important mega-piece that will quantum leap this team from perennial loser to "OK, maybe they aren't half bad". I've always believed that this is the most important position on the ice. You can fake good goaltending with great defense. You can boost your offense with great defense. You can't fake your way by with a shit blue line. Time to put significantly more effort into this area.

Offer up a monster package for Weber, Pietrangelo or OEL... a lesser one for Yandle ... maybe an offersheet to Subban (I don't like this idea though tbh, because I think Montreal matches any somewhat comprehensible deal). What I don't want to see is MacT do what the Oilers typically do and half ass it in hopes that the player they get works out. That means, don't go for the Kulikovs and Gardners, and such... the guys who might be pretty good, but you're just not sure yet. Guys like Weber, Pietrangelo, OEL, Yandle aren't too likely to go at all as is, and will be even less likely to go anywhere if these teams are still in the mix for playoffs (Which STL definitely will be)... so I don't see these happening at the deadline unless the teams are out of it. Well, I don't see any happening period, but hey.. just make the offer anyways. What's there to lose?

The rest can probably wait until later, but ideally you also push out Nick Schultz, Ryan Jones, and any other dead weight in exchange for picks or components useful to this team.

I'd also re-sign Belov sometime before next year. I think he deserves another long look. This was NHL year #1. He had some brain farts, but he had some flashes of good too. We need more time to figure this guy out, and at worst, he's probably a pretty reliable bottom pairing guy.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:06 am
by Quinstone
To be quite honest, I've been mulling over the same things for a long time about this Oilers team and have actually never posted on it. So this will be a first. I basically agree with the first 4 trades you just listed Racki, those need to happen only if were getting the value back. To put that value into perspective, a draft pick should be of no use to us anymore. We need guys who can drive the play and contribute at an NHL level immediately, a draft pick will not do this. We have seen what a real NHL'ers have done for this team based on what Mact has done so far with Perron, Gordon and Ference. This team needs to start winning or the bad habits they already have will only get worse and we'll be stuck where we are; continually drafting in the top 5. A winning attitude starts with winning games and NHL players win those games, draft picks do not. It will be hard pressed to find a Top defenseman like a Shea Weber or the ones listed, guys they should be targeting with those assets are #2's in this league. Look at a guy like Christian Ehrhoff for example, these types of defenseman are not the same calibe as a Weber however they definately can get the job done and at a high level too.

I agree with the goaltending, they both should be resigned if possible as long as they are reasonable contracts. The tandem seems to be working right now but I would still wait a few weeks before pulling the trigger and seeing what we really have in Scrivens, the one thing I know about goaltending is when a goalie gets hot they look like the best in the world. What makes a goalie a starter is how consistently they do this.

As for Belov, I like what he brings. I agree with the idea of resigning him and I honestly think this year was a big adjustment for him. When you play your whole life on a big rink in Russia there is a big adjustment period, especially as a defenseman. We saw the difference in play at the olympics, I think its only a matter of time before he gets comfortable and looks very good.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:49 am
by Racki
I think I can get behind an Ehrhoff type too. The thing I don't want is to go and grab another long shot (let's pick on Belov here, momentarily) and hope they over perform. Proven D man that are top guys but not stars like names I mentioned I can definitely be happy with. It's more the shotgun blasts of mid range guys we go for and hope someone pans out. It isn't working.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:54 pm
by Racki
Oh, additionally..

I want to see more Lander in the NHL to finish the year.. Need to see if there is improvement. Try him on line 2 or line 3 and see if he keeps up, helps, holds his own, disappears, adds value..

Also I'd like to see more Pitlick too, just cause I think he's quite a useful bottom six guy. Need a better gauge of that.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:26 pm
by Quinstone
Having Lander and Pitlick in the NHL this year I would have to disagree with, the one thing that I've seen is that them playing too early(mostly Lander in this case) is that it has hurt his development. I would want to let him continue to develop an offensive game for the rest of the year so it's not slowed by coming up to the NHL for the 9000th time and not sticking, he's at a point where development is extremely important and there is no harm in letting him continue down in the minors for the rest of the year. I'd rather him be rype by the time he comes up instead of throwing him into the usual fire that most Oiler prospects get.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:45 pm
by Alan-NottsUK
I agree re-sign scrivens and bryz if possible, it's a good tandem.

going for the home run defenseman, 2014 1st + Eberle + Petry.

I don't think we will get a player for Hemsky. trade him for a pick to replace the ones used in trades earlier in the year and if needed they can then be added to a package for a #1D.

Same goes for N. Schultz, Jones, Smyth, Potter if there are any takers.

Bring Pitlick, Horak and Arcobello back up until the end of the season, let Lander continue to be a leader in OKC.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:47 pm
by Racki
Ya I can't disagree with that, Quinstone. Suggesting they let him play the whole rest of the year even if he fails wasn't a good idea. But I wouldn't mind a short look as to where they are at. If they were looking good, keep them up, if they weren't send them back. But I wouldn't disagree with leaving them down there for the remainder either. I'm fairly patient with development, but there has been a lot of good chatter around Lander and wanted to see where he really is at. Past previews have been unimpressive for me. So I guess I'm slightly impatient in that I want another look. I think that even other teams will bring guys up for short looks now and then. Helps players keep an eye on the prize and such.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:14 pm
by dropit
I am curious as to if you have anyone in mind Racki, or just spitballing?

The deal with a first round picks, I wonder if Tyler Myers could fit in that type of deal... Still young, what the Oilers are lacking in and could be had I think. his contract is quite large and I think actually benefits the Sabres (cap floor) as much as it could hinder other teams, and that becomes where I would imagine hangups would present themselves.

I think something around

Anton Lander
Oskar Klefbom/Marincin
2014 1st round

Tyler Myers

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:54 pm
by Racki
I know we over value players here, but I wouldn't do it for the package above. Myers has question marks, but I do think he's worth a shot. I just don't like including a guy like Klefbom who has some great potential there. I'd definitely do that for a more safe guarantee tho. But I think that's a lot of pieces for this kind of risk. The 1st rounder is almost guaranteed to be top 3..Possibly even #1. So while this draft isn't very high end, you still are getting a guy likely to be a decent NHLer down the road. You may even hit it big with Ekblad. Now you are adding in Klefbom to the mix.. A guy who is possibly the best D prospect on the Oilers.

Myers.. Such a gamble. If we were for sure getting the player I think Myers is or will be I'd do that tho.

Always good to get an outsiders opinion on trade ideas though.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:20 pm
by NorwegianOiler
Gagner and a lower prospect and/or a pick for Myers. I wouldn't pay much more. He's good a serious contract and has struggled to live up to his early NHL play. Wouldn't, as Racki, give up both a solid defensive prospect AND the 1st for him - given that we'll draft top 3 as always.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:48 pm
by Alan-NottsUK
i'm starting to worry less about the defence now with how Marincin and Klefbom have played. Schultz seems to have improved a lot through the year as well.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:36 pm
by Racki
Alan-NottsUK wrote:i'm starting to worry less about the defence now with how Marincin and Klefbom have played. Schultz seems to have improved a lot through the year as well.

Worrying less is OK but I hope #1 on Mac's list is still a stabling force on the blue. To me, this is the most important position in the sport and you can't hang it all on such a young blue line. Even though these guys do look like they're figuring it out, one injury could be enough to spiral this team. I also think good goaltending has benefited this team lately too. We might not be in a panic for a Weber type (although you'd be a crazy gm to turn one down) but the defence isn't reliable yet for me and a strong of wins and solid goaltending doesn't quite make it so. But Worrying less is an OK way to put it. Haha

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:10 pm
by Alan-NottsUK
I think the good goaltending is what's led to the better defensive play, they seem to be more composed.

They also seem to be more together and I think that's something Hendricks has bought in to the locker room. Even the kids aren't letting other players take shit from the opponents.

Yak jumping in for Hendricks.
Nuge being the first guy there when Ebs got boarded.
Eberle getting involved straight away when someone gave Gazdic a crosscheck in the back.

Hopefully we see more of this attitude from them.

Re: Oilers moves for next year..

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:34 pm
by Racki
Yah totally agree on Hendricks. Underrated in that regard. I loved to hear Spector (hate him if we will) make note how he's taken the locker room over, basically. The team needs a few guys like that... they need someone on the blue line to do that too. I thought that would be Ference, but maybe not. No offense meant to him.. good guy, but Smytty made note of how Pronger called guys out in the locker room.. they need that kind of guy.