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Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:00 pm
by Zack
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Darren McCarty pounds on turtling Claude Lemieux.


During playoffs the stakes are the highest, no doubt about it. For all teams in the post season the tone is set, its win at all costs. With so much on the line, in quest for Lord Stanley, arguably this is the time where rivalries are born and woven into the teams legacy. Over the course of the season, the teams can build upon this rivalry but during the playoffs, this is where the rivalries peak.

I was born in they year 1990 and raised by my family (Moms side thankfully-My Dad is a Flames fan) as an Oilers fan. As a kid I always routed for my team and as a youngin' I have fond memories of my Grandpa taking me a handful of Oilers games. I had the opportunity to see very young players such as Jason Arnott, Dougie Weight, Todd Marchant, Cujo etc. As a kid I remember the Oilers always struggling to get past the Avalanche or the Stars in the first few rounds of the playoffs. I think for me that was the closest I've ever experienced as a fan of the Oilers, a rivalry.

I do remember however, the two powerhouses of the Western conference and the rivalry that was, between the Colorado Avalanche and Detroit Red Wings. This was the kind of rivalry that was talked about on the playground, man those were the days. Every now and then I like to re-spark those feelings and look back at what was, at least for me, one of the greatest rivalries I remember as a kid between to hockey teams. Here's a video I came across tonight, and if you're interested search for the Wings vs. Avs 97' Brawl. Screw it, I found it for you and the video is below.

This is the original video I cam across.


Here is the infamous 97' brawl between the Wings and Avs, it has quite a background. I love how Darren McCarty pounds on turtling Claude Lemieux.





Today's Rivalries


The NHL isn't what it use to be but you can't deny there aren't rivalries albeit maybe not as strong as some in the past. This post season I look forward to a hand full of match-ups in hopes new rivalries can be made or old ones be strengthened.

Western Conference Match ups:

vs. - Over the last few years this rivalry has definitely became a heated one. It may have not been as strong as it has been in recent years over the regular season but come playoff time, if these two teams face each other it could get ugly again. (Personally I'm hoping the Hawks destroy the Nuckleheads)



vs. - Colorado is a young up and coming team. I believe they have the potential to be a Western Conference Goliath for years to come again in due time. The Red Wings are the Red Wings. I'm really hoping for the Avs to make the playoffs and match up against Detroit. Putting the Wings backs up against the wall and hopefully rekindling the rivalry. I think with spark plugs like Landeskog and Moore this could be a definite possibility.

Eastern Conference Match ups:

vs. - These are two heavy weights from the Eastern conference in terms of rivalry. If you saw this seasons 24/7 we all got a feel for how these two teams like one another.






From the West, if Vancouver and Chicago meet I can see the rivalry being intensified and same goes for the Flyers and Rangers from the East. Other than the Nucks and Blackhawks I can't really see any surefire rivalries taking place. The Flyers and Rangers will be an uphill battle for any team in the post season but if these two teams match up in the playoffs, I think this will be the pinnacle match up this year. I'm not sure the Rangers vs. Devils built enough ground but the Flyers vs. Penguins series is always a good one. The Bruins can hold their own and cause an uprising but I think I speak for many of us when I say "I hope the Canucks (mainly the Nuckleheads) and Bruins don't meet up again in the post season".

Well there is my rivalry post. Please share your stories, post videos and or pictures of rivalries over the years as I'm sure most of us would love to hear it. I'm not old enough to remember most of the classics unfortunately so please, share and due tell.






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Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:40 pm
by Racki
Excellent thread, Zack...

The easiest choice would be Battle of Alberta's over the times.. however, I'll go with something else..

My earliest rivalry memory would be the early 80s Oilers and Islanders. Back then, the Islanders were a mighty empire just coming down from their reign, while the Oilers were the up-and-coming, young wippersnappers preparing to snatch the mighty cup from their hands. In 1983, they swept us, but the Oilers got their taste, and wouldn't look back from there. We took 5 of the next 7 cups to secure our place as a dynasty.

But for me, those games versus the Islanders were INTENSE. For those that watched them, who could forget Billy Smith lumberjacking down Kent Nilsson and numerous other Oilers in front of his net? Or the battles... the linebrawls and fights... Don Jackson's bloodied pit-bull face. Man, those were some crazy games. These teams hated each other. It's a good thing we had such a tough team.

And amidst all that thuggery was the beautiful, superb skill of guys like Wayne Gretzky, Jari Kurri, and Mike Bossy, and the hard-working, blue-collar play of Bryan Trottier, Clark Gillies, Glenn Anderson and Mark Messier (perhaps that last one is a bit unfair since "Moose" also had immense skill to go with that blue-collar ethic).

Unfortunately there isn't enough footage from that era.. most of it is a distant memory for me now too. I just remember that Billy Smith was the coldest motherfucker on the planet back then. He was more evil than Darth Vader, and equally as mysterious. You never skated past his crease, because he was constantly pissed off about something and would lay the lumber on you. Here's one sample I could find:


Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:28 am
by Alan-NottsUK
after last year I'd love to see the bruins and canucks have another series, but that would mean another SCF for the nucks.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:16 pm
by Zack
Great kick-start to the series rivalry between the Pens and Flyers.


Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:59 pm
by Racki
I can't view the video at work, but I assume that this is from this weekend. I was watching that game live when all hell broke loose. Good fun.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:39 am
by chucker
zackman35 wrote:Great kick-start to the series rivalry between the Pens and Flyers.


I was just going to post this. Sooooo hope they meet in the playoffs. Seems likely.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:55 pm
by Alan-NottsUK
Flyers Pens series is amazing

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:28 pm
by NorwegianOiler
Alan-NottsUK wrote:Flyers Pens series is amazing


Truly. Great hockey (except defense and goalies, but that's besides the point)

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:31 pm
by Zack
Philly vs Pens is a hell of a series so far. Is this what 80's hockey was like? The Ottawa vs New York series is a surprising one as well.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:51 pm
by hemmerlady
zackman35 wrote:Philly vs Pens is a hell of a series so far. Is this what 80's hockey was like? The Ottawa vs New York series is a surprising one as well.


That was a crazy game today! Penguins are not playing well at all and it doesn't help that they haven't kept their composure.

I'm surprised at how many head shots there have been in many of the series so far...do you think we're going to see some hefty Shannabans?

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:03 pm
by Alan-NottsUK
Asham will be gone for quite a while I'd expect, crosscheck to the face, then punching schenn when he was facedown on the ice.

Neal is a repeat offender, and is having 2 hearings, first one is a charge, headshot and interference on Couturier. Which in the regular season would be between 3-5 games.

2nd is on Giroux elbow to the head, The suspension he should get from the first one should mean more onto this maybe could see it being anywhere from 5-10.

Then again with the way suspensions have been handed out this season it could be 2 fines so $5,000 in total.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:33 pm
by hemmerlady
Ugh, the Torres hit on Hossa made me sick to my stomach. When Raffi played for us, I liked the fire in his play. But now - not so much. I'm sure it didn't help that he hit Ebs, but I can honestly say that I hated the hits against the others.

He goes out of his way to hurt people, to target the head. I hope he gets a really hefty suspension - overkill - so maybe he will finally get the message. I doubt somehow that he'll get the net.

This is only speculation, but I wonder why Torres has been on so many different teams? A friend of mine met him at a bar when he played for Edm, and he was a complete asshole. Her friend sincerely complimented his playing style and he gave her this hostile "what the hell do you know, you're an idiot" look. I mean, even if you don't take someone's opinion that seriously, you can say "thank you" to a fan. The very least you can do.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:41 pm
by Racki
For what it's worth, a good friend of mine that I trust the word of mentioned that him and his buddies were out drinking at an Edmonton club several years ago. Raffi Torres came up to their group and asked them if they had any coke to sell him. Apparently it's something he used to do with somewhat frequency too (someone else corroborated that part of the story saying he's known for that).

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:51 pm
by Zack
I remember in spring of 06 when the Oilers where in the playoffs I'd always see this girl in the one corner of the rink with a fluorescent sign with Raffi stuff all over it. She was obsessed (probably on something judging the way she potrayed herself/cheered/admired him) or maybe she was a real die-hard. I remember seeing her on the big screen multiple times when I went to my one and only playoff game (the Oil lost to the Ducks but it was a hell of an experience). Anyways, it wouldn't surprise me knowing that about Raffi for some reason.

Man was I naive when I was young, I bought his jersey that year (a little before the playoffs I think). To this day I stand by the idea of not buying a jersey unless it's franchise type player who's had quite a bit of experience under his belt. This opposed to buying a third liner jersey who's frequently moving from team to team.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:00 am
by Alan-NottsUK
2 hearings

1st one: repeat offender, headshot, jumped into hit and late. Neal claims he didn't mean to hit him, jumped to 'brace for contact'. - result no suspension.

2nd one: repeat offender, elbow to the head, jumped into the hit. - result 1 game.

I'd love to know how the hell he came up with that.

Probably not going to do much for the Pens either since there have been quite a few articles in the press recently about league favouritism towards them.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:37 am
by Zack


I saw both the Neal hits live and the Couturier one was pretty bad in my opinion, it looked like he left his feet from what I remember by the analysts said it was questionable but the head hunt on Giroux was clearly an elbow to injure.

I guess it's simple though, Neal has more of a potential to sell tickets by contributing to a win for The Pens more so than Asham.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:34 pm
by hemmerlady
Shannaban for Torres will be announced tomorrow.

Dammit Wings, you are wrecking my pool already. And I think Shea Weber should have been suspended at least a couple games. A fine doesn't send a very strong message, and $2,500 is pretty much lunch money.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:13 pm
by Racki
zackman35 wrote:
I saw both the Neal hits live and the Couturier one was pretty bad in my opinion, it looked like he left his feet from what I remember by the analysts said it was questionable but the head hunt on Giroux was clearly an elbow to injure.

I guess it's simple though, Neal has more of a potential to sell tickets by contributing to a win for The Pens more so than Asham.


I think it's bullshit really. Might as well look like you have a pair, if you're Shanny, and suspend him for several "playoff games" since his playoff season might be short anyways.

Really, the guy lays out Couturier when the puck is nowhere near him... catches him with his head turned, and he's also jumping into it. Then in the same game, he elbows a guy who has concussion history in the head. Nice message, suspending him for 1 game. What a joke.

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:31 pm
by Zack
Racki wrote:
zackman35 wrote:
I saw both the Neal hits live and the Couturier one was pretty bad in my opinion, it looked like he left his feet from what I remember by the analysts said it was questionable but the head hunt on Giroux was clearly an elbow to injure.

I guess it's simple though, Neal has more of a potential to sell tickets by contributing to a win for The Pens more so than Asham.


I think it's bullshit really. Might as well look like you have a pair, if you're Shanny, and suspend him for several "playoff games" since his playoff season might be short anyways.

Really, the guy lays out Couturier when the puck is nowhere near him... catches him with his head turned, and he's also jumping into it. Then in the same game, he elbows a guy who has concussion history in the head. Nice message, suspending him for 1 game. What a joke.


I wonder if someone is pulling strings behind the scene.


I found this vid pretty comical.

I guess we're kind of parting away from the whole rivalry side of things but as much as I can't stand them Nuckleheads I wonder if the whole Luongo thing is something serious. Could they playoffs actually impact his career this much, or is the media blowing it out of the water, way out of proportion? I hope the Kings take them out of contention this weekend!

Re: Rivalries and Playoffs

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:01 am
by NorwegianOiler
I suspect one would have quite a strong case for arguing that the star players get off much easier than the grinders when it comes to suspensions.

Although Hossa's my guy in the FHL and I hate to see him injured, I don't think the Torres hit was all that bad. It was possibly charging, but he didn't actually leave his feet, it might have been a little bit late, but I don't think it was as ugly as many will have it. Weber's mortal kombat move on Zetterberg, Neal's interference on Cotourier or Malkin's hit on Cotourier last night were all worse than the Torres hit. The latter three were all outside of the play, and/or targeting the head. Little is made of it by the league.